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		<title>By: Jane</title>
		<link>http://hppconcern.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/the-current-course-a-hydrodynamic-glimpse/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone please explain how this report is meant to show me the changes that are being proposed?  I&#039;m sure its all good science, but I&#039;m none the wiser about what changes are being proposed. Could they do a before and after picture so I can compare &amp; see how significant the changes being propsed are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone please explain how this report is meant to show me the changes that are being proposed?  I&#8217;m sure its all good science, but I&#8217;m none the wiser about what changes are being proposed. Could they do a before and after picture so I can compare &amp; see how significant the changes being propsed are.</p>
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		<title>By: hppconcern</title>
		<link>http://hppconcern.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/the-current-course-a-hydrodynamic-glimpse/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>hppconcern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been promised the plans before next week&#039;s meeting, so I&#039;m hoping to get them up here before the weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been promised the plans before next week&#8217;s meeting, so I&#8217;m hoping to get them up here before the weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://hppconcern.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/the-current-course-a-hydrodynamic-glimpse/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that the plans had be promised to be published before the meeting so that appropriate responses could be made? The model means nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that the plans had be promised to be published before the meeting so that appropriate responses could be made? The model means nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets ignore the opening page of propaganda in Scott&#039;s report.

I don&#039;t believe this report is terribly technical, Scott goes out of his way to explain his methodolgy, critical flow sections and suchlike. It&#039;s a flow and depth study (of the partially modified course), that&#039;s all. 

I can see how this would be directly useful in serving the aims of the racers who&#039;s goals are simple, increased velocity and more aggressive eddies. It can also be directly useful for maintaining depth required for wacky racers and raft clients.

However it is not a description of the features of the course (just look at the Muncher detail). No real inference can be directly drawn from such a study as the nature and quality of water features to be found on the course, the focus instead will be on several hydraulic jumps through which the angle and width of flow can be adjusted with Omniflots.

What about, cushion waves, apexing green waves, retentive sweet spots, stable deep eddylines and all the other things that made the original course satisfying.

Where is the wave modeling? I don&#039;t doubt that this was not part of the commissioned aims of the study, which is simpler for it.

I suppose that it&#039;s up to Andy to model the waves and features, but we&#039;re talking Omniflot here, not Wave 6.

A starting point for Andy this may be, but it&#039;s entirely unilluminating as to the development of a plan for change! We all know what the course looks like (and looked like), when are we to be shown the planner&#039;s vision for the course?

I suppose a scale model when the initial plans are drawn is out of the question... because it wouldn&#039;t serve the agenda for change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets ignore the opening page of propaganda in Scott&#8217;s report.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe this report is terribly technical, Scott goes out of his way to explain his methodolgy, critical flow sections and suchlike. It&#8217;s a flow and depth study (of the partially modified course), that&#8217;s all. </p>
<p>I can see how this would be directly useful in serving the aims of the racers who&#8217;s goals are simple, increased velocity and more aggressive eddies. It can also be directly useful for maintaining depth required for wacky racers and raft clients.</p>
<p>However it is not a description of the features of the course (just look at the Muncher detail). No real inference can be directly drawn from such a study as the nature and quality of water features to be found on the course, the focus instead will be on several hydraulic jumps through which the angle and width of flow can be adjusted with Omniflots.</p>
<p>What about, cushion waves, apexing green waves, retentive sweet spots, stable deep eddylines and all the other things that made the original course satisfying.</p>
<p>Where is the wave modeling? I don&#8217;t doubt that this was not part of the commissioned aims of the study, which is simpler for it.</p>
<p>I suppose that it&#8217;s up to Andy to model the waves and features, but we&#8217;re talking Omniflot here, not Wave 6.</p>
<p>A starting point for Andy this may be, but it&#8217;s entirely unilluminating as to the development of a plan for change! We all know what the course looks like (and looked like), when are we to be shown the planner&#8217;s vision for the course?</p>
<p>I suppose a scale model when the initial plans are drawn is out of the question&#8230; because it wouldn&#8217;t serve the agenda for change.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will give the document some time to digest soon... but it is almost obvious to me that the original water tank scale modeling is the ideal (possibly only) way to appreciate and communicate the real (not interpreted) outcomes of modification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will give the document some time to digest soon&#8230; but it is almost obvious to me that the original water tank scale modeling is the ideal (possibly only) way to appreciate and communicate the real (not interpreted) outcomes of modification.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://hppconcern.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/the-current-course-a-hydrodynamic-glimpse/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not read the report properly, but that wont stop me making some hasty comments. First up is there a model for the course unmodified (Shipley&#039;s model seems to refer to the current modifications)? This model is also analytic and not descriptive, the river features (marked eddylines and their orientations, stoppers and their depths, green wave features, their angles, pitch and turbulence) so whether or not it is written for the layman it is open to wide interpretation in relation to what can actually be seen on the course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not read the report properly, but that wont stop me making some hasty comments. First up is there a model for the course unmodified (Shipley&#8217;s model seems to refer to the current modifications)? This model is also analytic and not descriptive, the river features (marked eddylines and their orientations, stoppers and their depths, green wave features, their angles, pitch and turbulence) so whether or not it is written for the layman it is open to wide interpretation in relation to what can actually be seen on the course.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://hppconcern.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/the-current-course-a-hydrodynamic-glimpse/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can users turn off Snap on this site if are irritated by it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can users turn off Snap on this site if are irritated by it?</p>
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		<title>By: Who are the whitewater course user group? &#171; Nottingham HPP whitewater course users group</title>
		<link>http://hppconcern.wordpress.com/2008/10/13/the-current-course-a-hydrodynamic-glimpse/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Who are the whitewater course user group? &#171; Nottingham HPP whitewater course users group</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Changes to Nottingham&#8217;s Holme Pierrepont whitewater course - what&#8217;s the&#160;story? The current course - a hydrodynamic&#160;glimpse [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Changes to Nottingham&#8217;s Holme Pierrepont whitewater course &#8211; what&#8217;s the&nbsp;story? The current course &#8211; a hydrodynamic&nbsp;glimpse [...]</p>
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